Dani Chesson, guest of The Power of Design Podcast

Dani Chesson

Founder & Director

Design Thinker Institute

Episode 118

Using AI Without Losing Critical Thinking

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Introduction

Dani Chesson, Founder and Director of Design Thinker Institute, joins Jack Ossa on The Power of Design Podcast to discuss how design thinking helps leaders handle organizational change, and where AI fits in. Her work connects graphic design, digital transformation, behavioral design and leadership development, and she is the author of the book Unstuckified.

The conversation centers on a simple idea: change succeeds when organizations understand the people living through it. Dani also explains which parts of her work she keeps human, critical thinking and writing, and which she hands to AI.

About the Episode

Dani describes her path as one without a plan, driven by curiosity. She began as a freelance graphic and web designer when a global bank, going through mergers and acquisitions, recruited her to map its systems, processes and touchpoints visually. What was meant as a three-month contract became 13 years in banking. As a beginner in the room she asked questions that experienced colleagues no longer asked, and she learned that the real challenge of moving people to new technology is designing an experience that makes them want to adopt it.

She explains how she later worked on regulatory change after the mortgage crisis, reframing rules as ways to make banking and lending safer so that people buy in instead of ticking boxes. Her book grew out of a PhD she started while working full time and out of years of applying those ideas with clients; she wrote it over two months and launched it in the middle of the year.

Jack and Dani agree that design should be taught as a basic skill, that frameworks must be adapted to context, and that being busy is not the same as making progress. They then compare how each uses AI, including projects in ChatGPT and Claude that reflect your own writing back to you, and Dani describes her rule for what AI should not do.

Key Takeaways

  • Design for adoption: technology change works when teams consider the daily experience of the people expected to use it, such as the many logins a contact center agent must juggle.
  • Think like a beginner: being new in a room lets you ask the questions that unlock what holds an organization back.
  • Give regulation a human purpose: reframing compliance as protecting people creates buy-in beyond a checklist.
  • Adapt frameworks to context: an office, a doctor's office and a restaurant need different answers, and so do businesses.
  • Do not confuse busyness with progress: back-to-back meetings are not outcomes.
  • Keep thinking and writing human: writing refines thinking, so outsourcing it to AI may weaken critical thinking.
  • Give AI context and structure: it works best on repetitive tasks with a defined process, like training an intern, with a person validating the result.

Highlights from the Conversation

I was literally not only was I thinking like a beginner, I was a beginner.

Dani Chesson

There's two things I don't use AI for. One is critical thinking and two is writing.

Dani Chesson

Our brains are pre-wired to conserve energy, right?

Dani Chesson

Topics Discussed

  • From graphic design to banking and design thinking
  • Observing contact centers and removing friction
  • Behavioral design in regulatory change
  • Adapting frameworks to context
  • Teaching design as a core skill
  • Busyness versus meaningful progress
  • What AI should and should not do
  • Using projects, agents and context with AI tools

Why This Conversation Matters

Dani's point that context decides the design applies to buildings as much as to organizations: a workplace has to fit the business and the people who use it. Jack's own team applies that thinking in interior architecture, for example at BWM Office and Collet Office, and in branding when a company needs people to understand and adopt its message. The episode also gives a measured guide to using AI as a tool without giving up judgment.

About the Guest

Dani Chesson is the Founder and Director of Design Thinker Institute and the author of Unstuckified. She holds a PhD, spent 13 years in banking across digital transformation and regulatory change, and now works with leaders in New Zealand, Australia and the United States on organizational change, with engagements of 16 to 24 weeks. Her background combines graphic and web design, behavioral science, organizational science and design thinking.

Frequently Asked Questions

Why do technology changes fail in organizations, according to Dani Chesson?

Dani says that moving people to new technology is not really about the technology; it is about people and about designing an experience that gets them interested in adopting it. She gives the example of contact center staff who had to remember many different logins, and a redesign that brought the passwords together increased how much one person could get done.

What does Dani not use AI for?

She does not use AI for critical thinking or for writing. Dani explains that writing shapes thinking, because the first version is rarely the final one and refining it sharpens judgment. Her hypothesis is that outsourcing both to AI can lower critical thinking, although the technology has not been around long enough for solid testing.

How does Dani use AI in her work?

She uses it for data analysis and pattern recognition, searching for research, brainstorming as a thought partner and repetitive tasks such as client proposals. She sets up agents, for example one that finds news related to her book, and says that she always applies her own judgment to validate the output.

What is the difference between busyness and progress?

Dani says people compete over how busy they are, with back-to-back meetings and no time for lunch, yet at the end of the quarter little has been accomplished. She argues that teams should ask what they are busy doing and how it leads to something bigger.

What kind of clients does Dani work with?

She works with leaders who have big ambitions for their organizations but feel stuck, often tired after trying many methods and consultants. Her engagements run 16 to 24 weeks, she usually has about three clients at a time, and she works across New Zealand, Australia and the United States.

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